Monday, July 24, 2017

The Demagogues Hit (Again)

Here is another thread of a discussion I had with a hard-to-get-it guy.

The conversation commenced with the following piece about a horrible terror attack in a Jewish settlement.


The scene of Friday night’s terror attack in Halamish. Photo Credit: Israel "Defense" (my quotes... A.E.) Forces


The world must see this
by Eli Rubenstein, JULY 22, 2017

The picture below is the scene of Friday night’s terror attack in Neve
Tzuf, a small Israeli town in the Judean Hills. What started as a
family Shabbat dinner left a father, son, and daughter dead and a
mother in critical condition after a teenage Palestinian terrorist
entered the home and began stabbing the family members while children
hid in a closet. Were it not for the miracle of an IDF soldier nearby
who neutralized the terrorist, the incident would have been much more
horrific than it already is.

The world must see this picture; a picture which, in another reality
at the same time and place could have shown a family enjoying their
Shabbat dinner. Instead, you see blood from terror victims covering
the kitchen floor.

The world must see how this terrorist will be venerated in Palestinian
society. When word broke of the attack in Gaza, celebrations took
place in the street. Soon, his family will start receiving payments
from the Palestinian Authority, which in 2016 payed $170 million to
terrorists and their families. Maybe, years from now, he will have a
square named after him, like Khaled Nazzal, who killed 26 Israelis
after taking schoolchildren and their teachers hostage in the Ma’alot
Massacre, or Dalal Mughrabi, who killed 38 civilians after hijacking
two buses and throwing grenades at cars passing by.

The world must realize how the terrorist, a young person who at one
point must have had hopes and dreams like everyone else, could lead
himself to murder an Israeli family in cold blood. The reason he did
this is not because of “occupation” or metal detectors at the Temple
Mount. The reason this attack occurred is because the Palestinian
leadership injects hatred into its citizens from the day they are
born. It is because the Palestinian leadership knows that such a
corrupt regime as itself can only survive by placing blame for their
problems on the Jews and perpetuating a cycle of violence. Palestinian
children learn in textbooks that they must grow up to be martyrs in
order to create a Palestinian state free of Jews. When they go home,
they watch shows like Pioneers of Tomorrow, where the hosts like
Nahoul the Bee and Assud the Rabbit die because of Israel. In Assud’s
debut show, his brother Nahoul died because he was sick and was unable
to get medical treatment. Assud and the child host pledge to “liberate
al-Aqsa from the filth of those Zionists,” while Assud tells a young
caller that he will eat Jews. In a later episode, Assud dies from an
Israeli airstrike, but not before being sentenced by viewers to have
his hand cut off for stealing.

The world must understand that Palestinian leaders have fostered a
culture of death. They have brainwashed their people to believe that
the source of their problems is the Jews, rather than their own failed
leadership. Instead of building a country, they have kept their people
living in a state of perpetual victimhood, encouraging their youth to
launch rockets and martyr themselves instead of building
infrastructure and creating jobs for their people.

The world must realize that they too are responsible for this. The
Arab countries have kept Palestinians in refugee camps and denied them
equal rights, while the United Nations has done nothing but perpetuate
this problem my making them the only group of refugees in the world
that passes down their refugee status to the next generation. This
helps them continue promoting the issue of a ‘Right of Return’ and
provides fuel to the anti-Israel cause. The Western World has largely
turned a blind eye to Palestinian extremism, instead preferring to
chastise Israel for building homes and demand Israel allow the
creation of a terror state within its borders.

The world must see this picture, the blood of a dead family covering
the floor of their kitchen, because it speaks volumes about the
current situation. It is time to stop pretending that Israel has a
partner for peace, because it does not. While this was done under the
guise of protesting metal detectors at the Temple Mount, it is much
more than that – it is the culmination of years of incitement by
Palestinian leaders and years of the world turning a blind eye.

The world must see this, because the world must see the truth.
(end of piece)


This was my reply:

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Avner Efendowicz <avnerefe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Neve Tsuf is a settlement in the occupied territories. The Israeli occupation is the MOST violent action in the conflict. So it's not just an innocent "Shabbat Dinner" (still, the killing is horrible indeed).
What the world must see is the terrible conditions of the people living in Gaza and elsewhere under the Israeli oppression.

Cheers,
Avner E.
The state of Tel Aviv

6 comments:

  1. Buddy Macy vegibud@gmail.com>Sunday, 22 October, 2017

    Are you trying to justify the horrific murders of the three Jews enjoying Shabbat dinner?

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  2. OK, I'll make an exception and leave my good manners aside:
    Are you a certified idiot?! Is that what I said??? Where did you learn how to comprehend a text?...

    I am sure you didn't mean that. Sorry for being rude. So you are not an idiot. You are just a damn demagogue - because this is what most of the Right speakers do, when they lack good arguments. Take a controversial statement, turn it around, portray the speaker as an anti-semitic, work on the emotions of the audience because they (potential right-wing voters) have no brain.

    Any murder is horrific and evil. If a Palestinian came to my home to kill, I would try to kill him first, with no hesitation.
    At the same time, it is also the case that if I was a Palestinian, living under the immoral and criminal Israeli occupation - I may not have the virtue that 99% of Palestinians have, and live with it; I might become an evil and vicious terrorist. (Ehud Barak, former PM and Security minister, declared that too).

    Cheers,
    Avner E.

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  3. Mr. Efendowicz, you wrote: "So it's not just an innocent "Shabbat Dinner" (still, the killing is horrible indeed)". Calling it "not just an innocent 'Shabbat Dinner'" means that there is some guilt attached to it...which also means that there is some justification for the murderer's inhuman, horrible actions.

    Your use of sarcasm and reversion to ad hominem attacks speak louder than your words.

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  4. OK, you are less intelligent than I thought. So I'll explain in more details:

    Yes, there is some guilt in having dinner on soil which was taken by force from their lawful owners (all settlements are illegal be international law, *and* US policy, even Republican, even Jerusalem; and some settlements are illegal even by the Jews-biased Israeli law).

    No, that does not justify any murder. What was taken illegally can potentially be returned without violence.

    But in this imperfect life, sometimes criminal actions (such as this terrible murder) have the desired result of ending conflicts, just because the parties become too tired. This is how most conflicts end, not because they saw the light. This is the tragic side of life. And - this is NOT a justification of murder, just an explanation of history.

    Cheers,
    Avner E.

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  5. More ad hominem attacks, and the lack of substance and sense.

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  6. I did not attack you by saying something irrelevant to the discussion. I don't know you, so I am only judging you by your arguments (or lack thereof).

    Good for you being veggie, tough (if you are one). That I appreciate.

    Cheers,
    Avner E.

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