US "Embassy" in Jerusalem...
February 6, 2021, Shirley Lewis <slewis1667@gmail.com>:
Only Democrats vote AGAINST keeping US Embassy in Jerusalem denying the history of the Jewish People
Jewish Democrats are so proud:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/296312
Feb 6, 2021, Norman cohen <ishahrofah@gmail.com>:
Three Democrats voted against keeping the U. S. Embassy in Jerusalem:
Apostate communist and Democrat platform author Bernie Sanders, phony Elizabeth Warren and Biden Delaware understudy Tom Carper.
The vote in the Senate was 97 - 3 in favor of staying in Jerusalem.
President Trump is thus acknowledged to have done a good thing.
Norman
February 6, 2021, Ryan Silver <rls198011@gmail.com>:
Trump is a Jew hating scumbag for making Jerusalem the capital of Israel.
Trump made Israel unsafe by giving them control over the Golan Heights. He’s a Jew hater and anti Israel that.
Trump not sending hundreds of millions to Iran and sanctioning Iran was a horrible move bc it slowed down their nuclear program & funding of world wide jihad and for that trump is a Jew hating Nazi.
Trump adding Jews to the hate crime bills and protecting Jewish college students was also horrible and for that trump’s a Nazi.
LIBERALISM IS A CANCEROUS PLAGUE!
February 7, 2021, STEPHEN GOLUB <golub413@yahoo.com>:
Mr. Silver,
The Military and Intelligence genius and " Insider" Mr. E- has advised us that Israel was weaker under Trump. I imagine the Fellow must be an NSA Advisor to Presidents or maybe the Publisher of: " Jane's Fighting Ships"!! You cannot reason with the average Brainwashed, programmed, Liberal stooge. The stooge has been worked over from day One in Government Schools, by Left Wing College Professors who never worked a day in their lives, and then by the Media etc. It was too many years of brainwashing. The Liberal stooge fancies himself as smarter than the rest, "Intellectual", and progressive!! Getting all of us to tyranny does not register with them ! Their egos will NEVER allow them to admit they are failures and are wrong!!
I wrote:
The US never really moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem.
They hanged a nice sign that says "Embassy, USA", held a pathetic ceremony with celebrities such the late Sheldon Adelson and his loving wife, and moved a few clerks to take care of the few in the Jerusalem area who needed to apply for a visa. Not more than that.
The ambassador still spends 5 days out of 7 in the real embassy, in Tel-Aviv. Or what do you guys think happened to the maximum-security facility in Hayarkon St. in Tel-Aviv? Has it become a Consulate? No, it is still the Embassy, where most Israelis come for consulate services, and where the intelligence agencies sill use the big antennas to conduct their surveillance of Israel, as they used to do in all countries.
It is much like the new town in the Golan called "Trump Heights", which is really nothing but a sign (now starting to grow rust).
The US never really moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem.
They hanged a nice sign that says "Embassy, USA", held a pathetic ceremony with celebrities such the late Sheldon Adelson and his loving wife, and moved a few clerks to take care of the few in the Jerusalem area who needed to apply for a visa. Not more than that.
The ambassador still spends 5 days out of 7 in the real embassy, in Tel-Aviv. Or what do you guys think happened to the maximum-security facility in Hayarkon St. in Tel-Aviv? Has it become a Consulate? No, it is still the Embassy, where most Israelis come for consulate services, and where the intelligence agencies sill use the big antennas to conduct their surveillance of Israel, as they used to do in all countries.
It is much like the new town in the Golan called "Trump Heights", which is really nothing but a sign (now starting to grow rust).
Cheers,
Avner
February 7, 2021, Ryan Silver <rls198011@gmail.com>:
https://www.israelunwired.com/netanyahu-icc-ruling/
O’Biden will do nothing.
Trump has Israel’s back in every possible way.
I wrote:
Naaa, Mr. Netanyahu refers to every court ruling as "Anti-Semitic" if it's not for his own private matters.
Netanyahu couldn't care less for the fate of the State of Israel. (5,000 dead and counting, for a country of similar size, shape and gateways to the world as New Zealand).
Wait and see how he reacts when the Israeli district court sends him to prison for bribery, fraud, treason (submarines!) and more. He will blame the whole world for being anti-Semitic. Just wait and see.
Cheers,
Avner E.
February 7, 2021, STEPHEN GOLUB <golub413@yahoo.com>:
Mr. E- Is a prisoner of the Left!Nohing can cange one who is so programmed from youth!
February 7, 2021, <charming@eclipse.net>:
I find it so strange for an Israel who fought in the IDF to talk like Bernie Sanders
I wrote:
When the late Gen. Rafael Eitan ("Rafool") was commander in chief of the Israeli military, he said that, if the Arabs ever take Israel, God forbid, then the first ones they would kill were the Leftists.
Well, he was a (Ra)Fool all right (I know, I was in the military back then, the 80's), but in this particular case - he was actually correct. Because the Leftists were always braver than the Conservatives (I'm not talking about myself here), and therefore they were on the front line.
This is one reason that we agree more with Sanders. We just know the cost of your armchair aspirations, we don't just send the poor to fight for us.
Cheers,
Avner E.
February 7, 2021, STEPHEN GOLUB <golub413@yahoo.com>:
Half the nation there voted against Bibi!! Remember who founded the Nation. Remember the Altalena !!
I wrote:
At last, Mr. Golub, you said something correct.
Actually, more than half voted against BB.
BB got only 25% of the votes (30 P. Members), other parties supporting him in exchange for (our) money - got another 28. That's a total of 58 / 120. The reason that he was able to establish a coalition is because - he is BB, the crook that he is.
Cheers,
Avner E.
February 7, 2021, <charming@eclipse.net>:
Avner, no I am referring not to Sanders opposition to going to war, quite frankly I don’t know his position, but what I do know is that he is the most anti Israeli Politician and despite his 8th day B’rith Milah, he comes across as so self hating because of his missing piece.
I wrote:
No he is not. He wants Israel to end the evil occupation of Palestine - that's not anti-Semitism.
If it IS, then either -
1. I am Anti-Semitic
Or:
2. There is no Anti-Semitism today. All that you complain about is legitimate, just and honest criticism of the Israeli GOVERMENT - not even the State of Israel.
The Israeli Government does not represent the Israeli Nation - it's just a sorry accident that stems for the Israeli imperfect political system.
Cheers,
Avner E.
February 7, 2021, Barry Wolfensohn <barrydwolf@gmail.com>:
Avner the thread will be most unhappy with your e mail
please do not give any details as to your home address family members etc
February 7, 2021, STEPHEN GOLUB <golub413@yahoo.com>:
Of course Mr E ( If the Arabs ever broke in and won,----- While the mayhem , murder, thieving raping, and carnage goes on, the Arabs will stop and first ask; are you a leftist or a Conservative!! Yes Mr. E makes as much sense as all the rest of the Liberal gibberish!! The Pogromchiks asked also huh?? The Germans asked first?? The enemies "differentiate"??
I wrote:
This is pure Racism.
Plus, Mr. Golub, I'm afraid that you didn't get it.
I did not mean that the Arabs would stop to ask, who is a Leftist. Of course they won't.
What I meant was, that (until recently), the Leftist were most of the officers and soldiers on the Frontline. This is why they would have gotten killed first.
Cheers,
Avner E.
February 7, 2021, <charming@eclipse.net>:
AVNER,
FOR PURPOSES OF CLARIFICATION, I AM TOLD BY MY FRIENDS IN ISRAEL TODAY THAT MANY OF THE LEADERS TODAY IN THE ISRAELI MILITARY ARE COMING FROM THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT INCLUDING PLENTY WHO WEAR KIPPAHS ON THEIR HEADS. YOUR EXPRESSION “UNTIL RECENTLY” IMPLIES A CHANGE IN THE LEADERSHIP ON THE FRONT LINE. PLEASE CONFIRM IF THIS IS SO OR NOT
I wrote:
That is Correct.
The Kibbutzniks who used to be the Backbone of the military, especially in the Elite unites, Air Force, commanding position etc - were replaced by the Land of Israel worshippers with the "knitted Kippas".
Some Leftists that I know, virtually gave up the chance to amend this country.
Others, who are not so desperate yet, are just too tired and don't think it's worth the cost.
Cheers,
Avner E.
February 7, 2021, <charming@eclipse.net>:
Thank you!
In response to Myron's questions below, I wrote:
Myron: why did the Kibbutzim people diminish in terms of leadership in the Military?
We are just desperate, I guess.
Myron: Avner how old are you boys and what are they doing if you are allowed to share that with us?
My son Ben is 32, a company commander (Major, reserved) in unit 669, the Search and Rescue unit of the Air Force. A photo attached with Shimon Peres and Commander in Chief Ashkenazi (now Israel's Secretary of Foreign Affairs, believe it or not, who was learned about the peace treaties with 4 Arab countries - from the Press... His SOB boss will never share any credit.
My younger son Omer, 31, is a paratrooper (also reserved) in Maglan, another elite unit specializing in designating targets behind enemy lines. This unit produced the most number of officers refusing to serve in the occupied territories... (I was also one, but way before them).
Myron: Democrats are tearing up everything of the four years of Trump.
They are just trying to return your country to sanity. I wish them good luck.
Myron: it’s going to make January 6th look like an afternoon Tea at Buckingham Palace.
Go ahead. Liberals are not afraid of civil wars - we win each time...
Cheers,
Avner E.
Feb 8, 2021, <charming@eclipse.net>:
SOMETHING TO BE EXTREMELY PROUD OF INDEED!
February 8, 2021, Roger's בית בריק <roger@bayitbrick.com>:
Avner, כל הכבוד!!!
I wrote:
I never meant to brag about my military service (very ordinary), nor my sons' (more challenging). Nor do I think that this gives me any more right to speak my mind. I just think that everybody is entitled to their opinions, whatever they may be. Whether they support them by any action as opposed to words, and whether this gives their opinions more credibility - that's for everybody to judge.
The only criterion that matters is whether you can back up your views with facts, evidence and to-the-point arguments, and whether you actually do it or not. Views of the Right can have some very good arguments - nobody has monopoly on justice; We may be wrong (but ask yourself, how often do you hear such a statement from a Right-wing speaker).
Alas, in these days, more people (especially on the Right, and some even on this thread), fail to provide such arguments. They rather use ad-hominem criticism or empty name calling. That speaks about them and their confidence in their views, more than anything.
Cheers,
Avner E.
February 8, 2021, Charles Jacobs <charlesjacobs123@gmail.com>:
This sounds wonderful. I just have to say I’m dissappointed you have failed to counter my arguments with any facts and have just turned tail and fled.
Disappointing for such a seeming rationalist.
Charles Jacobs
I wrote:
How do you know if I was referring to you?...
In Hebrew they say: The Hat is burning on the Thief's head (thus drawing attention; it rhymes in Hebrew).
Cheers,
Avner E.
Feb 7, 2021, <charming@eclipse.net>:
Dear Avner,
Since you were a member of the IDF, then for me you get 100% Kol ha’Kavod. As for your political views, we don’t agree at all and I get the impression that the vast majority of Israeli’s do not agree with you. I am willing to keep an open mind to hear your views. But insofar as the fact that you put your life on the Line for our Jewish Nation, you get my full gratitude and respect
Myron Sugerman
February 7, 2021, Charles Jacobs <charlesjacobs123@gmail.com>:
For sure! But a person can be brave facing bullets but still run away from arguments. He has refused to answer me and has fled from my arguments that seem to have pinned him.
So bravery plus not-so-brave…
Charles Jacobs
I wrote:
Mr. Jacobs, at last we agree on something.
I also think that some people, like Mr. Netanyahu, B. Gantz, Y. Galant (minister of Education, and former commander of Israeli Seals), to name a few, were brave in the battle field, but turned out being cowards in politics. (Ehud Barak and Ofer Shelakh are rare exceptions).
Regarding your arguments that I ran away from, please remind me of any arguments you had at all (I just didn't notice any in your writing), and I will respond with my views, in 2-3 business days (I'm quite busy, but these matters are important to me).
Cheers,
Avner E.
