Lunatic Americans, vol. 8

Israel's military option against Iran

 

Paul Bogdonoff <paulbogdonoff@sbcglobal.net>:

I thought you would be interested in the following story from The Wall Street Journal.

In the Mideast, Biden Returns to Abnormal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-the-mideast-biden-returns-to-abnormal-11612481108

Best,

Paul

 

 

Friday, February 5, 2021, charming@eclipse.net:

Hello Paul,

If Israel goes after the Iranian nuclear sites and takes them out (B’zrat Hashem), it has a double meaning.  One and the most important is the message to Iran that Israel is not willing to live with an Iranian Nuclear threat who wants to annihilate 7 million Jews and 2 million non Jews.

The second message is to Baraq Hussein Obama and his lackeys, Biden, Harris, Sanders, etc. which is thanks to Donald Trump, Israel is strong enough to take unilateral decisions for its own safety and security without the need to ask Washington for permission or its assistance or its approval or its authorization or its “Hashgacha”! 

Shabbat Shalom

 

 

I wrote:

1. Israel does not really have a military option against Iranian nuclear program. It is just too big, even for the fine Israeli air force. They just don't have the bombs that it takes, only the US does.

From a professional point of view only, all high ranked generals in the IDF and air force have always been against such an air strike. And not because they are cowards.

2. Israel did not have such an option even before Trump's term. Today, thanks to him, Israel is much weaker from an economic and military aspects. Such an operation on the US side takes building a coalition (such as the Bushes have put together), cooperating with foreign intelligence agencies, and so on; operation that today's USA is much less capable of creating.

So rest your arms, you armchair warriors, and let the diplomats do the job.

Cheers,

Avner E

February 6, 2021, STEPHEN GOLUB <golub413@yahoo.com>:

This Guy Avner is the only creature on the Earth that I have seen who claims Israel was weaker under Trump both  Militarily and economically ! Trump was beloved in Israel, but this Liberal ideologue named A, Mr. E,  or whatever knows better. The fact is that Obama REFUSED the Bunker Busting Bombs Israel asked for !Obama  did all he could to undercut Israel and its PM. Who else signed the moronic Iran deal but Obama and the jerk Kerry ( Kohen)?  Who do you think you are conning Mr.  E??? Yes your beloved  stealth Moslem Obama dear Mr. E. So  better you crawl back to your  Military genius delusions

and your "Insider's Economic knowledge" that no other "expert" has , and  I am sure you will put it all to great use!! Amazing that the US Government has not hired a genius like Mr. E ???

February 6, 2021, A charming guy known as charming@eclipse.net:

Mr. Avner,

I don’t know you nor do I know how you got on our thread, but anyway welcome. 

However we have a rule on our thread, and that is in order to be on our thread, one is not allowed to speak narishkeit or shturyot (foolishness), “that Trump made Israel weaker militarily and economically” might win the award for one of the silliest if not the dumbest remarks ever in our long history of exchanging information, facts and knowledge, especially when the overwhelming majority of Jews in Israel (90%) praise Trump’s name and would have wished he continued as our President and regret the return of Obama through Joe Biden, the Puppeteer who pulls the strings on the Puppet.    

As for your sage advice to leave the solution as to what to do with Iran to Diplomacy, that’s even a far worse statement than the aforementioned “Trump made Israel weaker militarily and economically” since Diplomacy is defined by Obama’s hateful decision to strengthen Iran with billions and a wink of the eye to go ahead and build a Nuclear bomb for peaceful purposes

Avner, if you promise you will keep to our firm rule as described above of no foolishness or stupidity, we welcome you, B’rooch Ha’ba!

February 6, 2021, Jack Zucker <jack@fullcirclecolor.com>:

Myron,

 I didn't know this thread has rules. I won't get into the details of your argument with Avner's opinion now, but I will point you to the narishkeit constantly spewed from Stephen Ha Golum, Norman Cohen et al. I move that they be voted off the thread, though I realize that this motion has as much chance here as Republican sanctions of Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Feb 6, 2021, <charming@eclipse.net>:

Jackie,

Trust me on this one. I didn’t make that decision by myself, I consulted with Barry Wolfensohn since he is the Senior Member of the Thread who attends Rabbi Moshe Herson’s Thursday night Shiur without wearing his Hearing Aid.

 

February 6, 2021, Jack Zucker <jack@fullcirclecolor.com>:

Myron,

You're incredible sense of humor (the reason I love you) aside, if the narishkeit rule was fully applied, there would be no thread left. I don't know Barry, but his sense of humor is a close second to yours, and generally spot on relative to the issues we banter about. Stay well and I hope to see you soon.

__________________

Jack Zucker

28 Illinois Street

Dix Hills, NY 11746

I wrote:

Mr. Charming Eclipse,

I also don't know how somebody from this thread (probably Ms. Lewis) got my email address, and emailed me one of her posts (probably passed on to her by a guy named Dan Friedman, NYC).

Anyway, I'd like to thank you for your kind invitation to this very interesting email thread. This is very nice of you.

As for the rule(s) of the thread, I totally respect your intention and will definitely adhere to the rules - that is, if I can understand them.

When you say "one is not allowed to speak narishkeit or shtuyot (foolishness)" - I suspect that what you really mean is "one is not allowed to speak any opinion that is too far removed from the warm consensus that we are desperately trying to keep here, because we are too coward or not smart enough to handle opinions other than our own" (I have a feeling that I'm going to regret using this last sentence...).

Please correct me if that was not your intention.

I'm saying this, because the notion that a President as controversial and ignorant as Donald Trump has weakened Israel's ability to defend herself - that's a valid opinion. If you think differently (some of my best friends and closest family members do) - I respect that, and I will never refer to them as being foolish, narcissist, talking Shtuyot or inferior to me.

I have very good arguments to back up my opinion, some of them I share with the most highly ranked military Generals, and Israel's thinktanks, including my good friend from childhood, Gen. (ret.) Amir Eshel, former Commander of the Israeli Air Force and today the general manager of the Ministry of Defense.

So, if your rule that I must not express these opinions in your precious thread still holds - than this rule is so stupid, second only to the stupidity of a few of your thread members, such as: Prof. (Fake) Norman Cohen, STEPHEN GOLUB, et. al.

Kind regards,

Avner Efendowicz, Tel-Aviv

February 6, 2021, STEPHEN GOLUB <golub413@yahoo.com>:

Mr. E- I am sure you are privy to the most secret  Israeli Military Intelligence on Earth. After all a genius like yourself, would be high on the list of any President to have a an advisor. Maybe National Security Advisor? Let us see some of your Military Facts and Intelligence that Israel was weaker under Trump! After all you are the only person i know of who has such important Military Intelligence!

 Show us all this "secret"  Intelligence that the Israeli Military shared with you!!Maybe we can get you something in the Pentagon or the CIA!???

Mr. Connected Military Genius Avner:

" I sincerely believe with you, that Banking Establishments are more dangerous than Standing Armies"!--  US President Thomas Jefferson

 Mr. E-Have all your big  "Gonnections"(borrowed  from The Great Gatsby) clued you in about the CFR, the Tri-Lateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, and  maybe Bohemian Grove?? Surely some of them attend the meetings??? Let us know  all about it ??

I wrote to this imbecile:

Mr. Golub (by the way, that's a Turkish name as well, so we may be relatives; I don't find it derogatory, because I'm not racist as you are, and to me Turks are human beings just as any others. And BTW, it's just amazing how somebody who belongs to a nation that suffered so much from racism, can be so racist himself. I take it that this is because you are so ignorant as well, in that you didn't pay attention in history classes. And in that, you belong to the most dangerous of all species on the globe - Men, Racist and Ignorant).

So, Mr. Golub,

I will explain it to you again in plain English and in simple words, as I did to Mr. Norman. I'm not sure that HE got it after the 11th time, but I have patience.

I don't have any secrets, and I wouldn't dare to share any with you guys if I had; I'm a loyal citizen of Israel, and I'd never use security to promote my political agenda - as did your friends Netanyahu (documented case) and Trump.

All my claims are based on public domain information.

Again, the difference between a Fact and an Opinion: my claim that Israel is weaker today than 4 years ago, is not a Fact, and I can't prove it (for one thing, I will never make up "information" like you guys do on this list, to "prove" that the imbecile that you support won the Elections). I just happen to have an opinion, that is shared by many military officials and security experts. Almost all Israeli top commanders were and are against an Israeli strike on Iran, including for example Gen. (ret.) Amir Eshel, the Air Force commander at the time. The reason is quite simple: unlike the successful strike on Iraq in 1981 (which was very complicated and risky by itself) - the Iranian nuclear program is distributed among many sites and locations, and is now buried under tens of meters of solid concrete underground. The destroy even most if these facilities, would take a strike in the scale that the Israeli military is just not capable of carrying out. It takes dozens of squadrons of bombers, escorting jet fighters, cargo, reconnaissance, rescue units for the case of the operation going wrong (my two sons are serving in such units), and so on.

Only a power such as the US is capable of doing  an operation on that scale. But even for the US, they never do so before they establish coalitions with other countries. This is done, Mr. Golub, through diplomacy - a concept that you so despise. Even George Bush, senior and junior, knew that.

On top of all that - most intelligence professionals agree, that after the clown (who has never read an intelligence report), withdrew from the agreement with Iran - they resumed their program, and they are now much closer to the Bomb than in 2016. But this is a topic for another discussion.

I can go on an on, but I have the feeling that this is too much for your span of attention and reading (not to mention comprehension) capability.

Regards,

Avner

February 7, 2021, STEPHEN GOLUB <golub413@yahoo.com>:

Mr. E-Yes  all the facts of the difficulties with an Air strike have been long Published in various US Publications. So you offer nothing new at all. With Israel so weakened by Trump accoding o you, it is amazing how he was apparently loved in Israel. I guess all your  buddies in  the Military and Intelligence fields kept it all to themselves?? ! Nothing you wrote is at all new ,except the idiocy your left Wing buddies spread about the President! You are sure the Mullahs who have absolutely NO Religious obligation to be truthful to "Infidels", will keep their promises  with an agreement, or no agreement  at all??  "  Mr. E "knows"!! Did Hitler honor his agreements. Do the  Communists?? What are we fools you think??

Here  " a special for you"from Bill Clinton's Mentor Professor Carroll Quigley at Georgetown U!

"There exists, and has existed for generations an International Anglophile Network which operates to some extent, the way the Radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact this network which we may identify as the Roundtable Groups ( CFR) has no aversion to cooperating  with the COMMUNISTS or any group and frequently does so!

 The Professor goes on to say he has examined the Group's secret papers for 2 years and his only disagreement with it, is that it chooses to remain  unknown!

 From his Book "Tragedy and Hope"!!

 I am sure your high briefings with Military and Intelligence people advised you of this    " group"!????/

I wrote:

I don't think that Trust goes by religion, country, or ideology. Do you want me to indulge you with a (partial) list of major promises made by the USA or Israel and broken?

My point is that the agreement with Iran, and the IAEA inspection that came with it, kept Iran from progressing in their program, more than anything else that the Clown has done. It's not about trust at all - just efficiency.

Cheers,
Avner

Feb 7, 2021, Norman cohen <ishahrofah@gmail.com>:

Golub is Russo-Yiddish for a pigeon or dove.                           

                                голубь

                                       Norman

I wrote:

What's the difference? Half of this list (the republican half, basically, sorry from the exceptions) is all full of Fake. So I thought "While in Rome, behave like a Roman"...

A bit of sense of humor never hurt anybody (especially Jews).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nz7khqenFU&t=6m34s

Cheers,

Avner

STEPHEN GOLUB <golub413@yahoo.com>:

I am long aware of my name. My Great Grandfather was a Bootlegger ( Bimber) in Torczyn and made a lot of money from it. My Maternal Grand Father  was from Odessa  . His Father had a dispensation from the Czar! My Great Grand Father from Torczyn  drank himself to death! Used his own product!  My Grandfather ( his son) 

was Born in Torczyn Poland !!I consider myself a Polish Jew!  I have no sense of humor so it does little to try and make me laugh. My friends  at times try although I warn them not to waste their time.

  Ever since I was a youth I was unhappy! I watched the Left  Liberals  destroy my Country day by day. I knew something was wrong but could not figure it out as a youth. I could not understand a Nation doing everything against its best interests. Later research  found the  Globalist Conspiracy!  Now at the ends of my time I watch my Nation that I dearly love  collapsing !! A left Liberal is not an opponent to me. he is a dangerous enemy. Piece by piece, day by day, step by step, the Liberal takes your Freedom, your money, and your property! The end result of Liberalism is Nazi like Communism!!

I wrote:

Mr. Golub,

I could not help but relate to your moving story (really).

I will disregard the derogatory comments (Left is enemy), and I'd like to say to you "Welcome to the Club". The club of people living for 43 years under our rival's rule (the Right - since 1977), and witnessing how they take the country down. (I am old enough to remember the days of the Israeli Labor party - not perfect, corrupt to some extent, but seems like heaven in light of today's Likud).

And this is why I thought you were of Turkish decent:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bagot_Glubb

Actually, he was British. No offence.

Cheers,

Avner E.

February 7, 2021, <charming@eclipse.net>:

I googled General Amir Eshel.  He has a remarkable military history.  Please send us if possible whatever you have in English talking about the bombing of Iran and why it’s not possible.  Google doesn’t mention it.

I wrote:

They didn't say not possible - I don't know what they said (for obvious reasons; no, I don't have inside information), but I guess it was: very complicated, not worth the cost, inefficient.

Here is just one:

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4266973,00.html

"Not a single state official or military official or even the president – supports an Israeli attack in Iran."

The English version does not mention Gen. Amir Eshel, but the Hebrew version does:

https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4266954,00.html

כל הדרג המקצועי מתנגד לפעולה באיראן - הרמטכ"ל רב-אלוף בני גנץ, מפקד חיל האוויר האלוף אמיר אשל, ראש אגף המודיעין האלוף אביב כוכבי, ראש המוסד תמיר פרדו, ראש השב"כ יורם כהן.

I'll translate for you:

All the professional staff is against a strike on Iran - that includes IDF Commander in chief Gen. Benny Gantz, Air Force commander Amir Eshel, Commander of the Intelligence directorate Gen. Aviv Kokhavi (IDF chief in 2021), director of the Mossad Tamir Pardo, director of Shabak (secret service) Yoram Cohen.

Cheers,

Avner E.

February 7, 2021, <charming@eclipse.net>:

AVNER,

I tried several times today to get a straight answer from you.  I was extremely civil and sincere.  While I respect the fact that you served in the Israeli military and your two sons are serving now, I find your political philosophy impossible to understand.  If you were here in America, one of the 75% Jews who voted against Trump but never actually voted for Biden, I would understand that you are a generation removed from your descendants being Jews but you’re truly one of few percent minority in Israel who sound like a Jew Hating Jew from America who hated the hero of the Jewish people in Israel!

Avner,

I read what you sent and I respect the men who have the heavy obligation and responsibility to make overwhelming decisions especially one like this.  So you write and say that all that’s left is Diplomacy?  Please expound

I wrote:

Dear Myron,

First, please accept my apology for not responding promptly - too busy.

I too was looking for options to watch the Superbowl, without the annoying comments of the ignorant Israeli commentators (and with the commercials).

Whoever says that Trump is loved in Israel, doesn't live on this planet.

Roughly half of the population are satisfied with the things he did "for Israel", but nonetheless they are not so crazy about who he is. Most people think that he is just a fool (albeit a useful one).

Regarding Iran and the Bomb - I think that there is not much to do. They will have the Bomb whether you like it or not. If Israel has it, then Iran can't be denied.

You probably think that the Iranian leaders are crazy, and that the Israeli ones are not. I respect that. But I think that it's the other way around. In this, you are correct that I am in a small minority, I admit.

Iran is a bad place to live in, but that doesn't mean that the leaders there are irrational. Fanatic, evil - yes, I agree. But that's not the same thing as being irrational. I think that they are totally rational - which I can't say about some of the Israeli politicians. The Iranians want the Bomb for the same reasons that any other country does - they want power, protection from other countries, and patriotic project, to divert their problems to. Iran is surrounded by Suni countries, and wants to threat them back.

This is in short. Not much to do, but in any event, diplomacy can get much more than sanctions or violence. I'm pretty sure that you won't like it, but that's my opinion.

Who is right?... - in Hebrew we say: Days (= the future) will tell. Let's live, and die, and then see... (Danny Sanderson, a top Israeli musician).

Cheers,

Avner E.

February 7, 2021, <charming@eclipse.net> (in italic and Bold):

According to all my Israel family and friends, they keep telling me that he is not loved but super loved

Maybe they mean that he is loved by 10% of the population. I would like to think that your family members don't belong to them.

Except Iran threatens Israel daily with blowing them up with a nuclear bomb, I haven’t heard Israel saying to any nation or any enemy that it intends to blow them up with a nuclear bomb

It's interesting who people take the word of Muslims only when it fits their agenda. I don't believe that, it's against their interests.

Israel, on the other hand, without a word spoken - denies the right of Palestinians to have their own state, like many other nations (and killing hundreds of them in the process).

YOU CAN ask me my opinion and I’ll for sure give you my opinion so please don’t make the mistake of assuming how I think, at age 83 thank GD, I still have my marbles in tact

Good for you, I wish you live to 120.

In any case, that's what I thought - you think that Israel leaders are more rational. With all due respect, I think that you are wrong.

Mr. Netanyahu in particular is way more evil and selfish than all Muslim leaders. He is practically raping this country, dragging her to 4th elections in 2 years, just to evade his trial. And he is the main reason that 5,000 people have died of the pandemic.

Avner, I would like it if diplomacy was on the level.

It was, when President Obama, the best US president in my life time, was in office. And it worked much better.

To those who refer to him as just Senator - he will be remembered as one of the best presidents, long after we are all gone.

Cheers,

Avner E.

February 8, 2021, Ryan Silver <rls198011@gmail.com>:

Obama was the greatest president...

His restarting the Islamic slave trade in Libya with his failed overthrowing of Ghadafi was amazing. 

Obama’s funding of Isis was brilliant. 

Obama’s dismantling of Europe’s Missile defense systems protecting them from Russia was a move of sheer genius. 

Obama letting Russia take over Crimea was magnificent. 

Obama’s Iran deal not only helped Russia but gave a country who kill and killed a,Erica s and jews billions of dollars in cash and unfroze hundreds of billions in assets. This move was perfect. 

Obama letting China abuse us without consequences was even more brilliant.

His genius is unsurpassed. 

I wrote:

Some of your claims are known to be false, others - I didn't check yet.

Obama has put together the first public health system in decades - if this has no meaning to you, then you must be very rich (I bless you for that). Obama could have done it way better, had Congress not put sticks in his wheels. Anyway, you guys live in one of the only countries in the modernized part of the world, that does not have a public health system, and therefore you have to be rich to get decent treatment. 47 million without any health insurance, prior to Obama. I hope that all you guys on this thread belong to the upper 10% income bracket (like I do, thus the Capitalist system is actually good for me - I opposed it nonetheless) - so you can stay healthy.

One thing to take from Covid-19 is - only public health system can deal with such a large scale pandemic. In such cases, the rich cannot take care of themselves - they are aboard the same boat with holes down its bottom.

Most people in my country don't like Obama, and they truly like Trump in rating that I will admit now that I was wrong about - it's definitely more than the 10% that I mentioned.

For one thing - Israelis expected Obama to intervene in Syria, to stop the terrible bloodbath over there. I find this hypocritical. How come they expected the USA to send its men and women to fight in Syria, while nobody in Israel was willing to do the same? That, especially after two disastrous and failing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, that cost Tens of Trillions of Dollars and thousands of lives, and achieved nothing? I think that Obama was very wise to spare your country form another disaster.

I could go on and on - the economy that the Obama administration managed to rebuild, after the 2008 crisis, the direct result of absence of regulations that the Reagan administration failed to build (I lived in California back them, and lost my job together with 2 millions Americans).

I don't recall as good a president as Obama, maybe since Kennedy - I was too young back then.

Cheers,

Avner E

February 8, 2021, Mark Harrison <cityfox@verizon.net>:

Just to add my two cents to this issue of health care.

In most countries the cost of socialized health care is built into the income tax rate somewhere about 15% to as high as 40%.

In most countries excluding Israel health care is somewhat less quality (not Great)

Some countries are better than others but not as good as American or Israel.

Canada has good socialized heath care but elective surgeries has a very long waiting list. Not so good.

I have family in Canada some buy Health Insurance in America to come here for elective surgeries

I have medicare and a supplement, my wife with a family plan 2 children pay now $13,000 a year for family coverage health plan (and that was after it raised considerably post Obamacare) That equals to about 8% of our retained retired income. We are both retired.

Before Obama Care every public hospital had to handle anyone with a health issue, that was mandatory.

So in a sense we had health care for all.

In those years my family health care cost was less than 3% of my earnings.

So now lets compare apples to apples.

Do the math we have gotten better health care under capitalism at a lower cost.(Not Just for the Wealthy)

P.S. can you tell me anything government controls that works well?

Mark Harrison

I wrote:

Sorry, I am only familiar with what I have read and know up close.

In Israel, Mr. Netanyahu keeps bragging about Israel being No. 1 in the world in Covid-19 vaccination per capita - which is true. 80% of Israelis aged 60 and up, are post-2nd shot.

What he "forgot" to mention are these facts: The operation is based on Kupot Kholim, an institution that Netanyahu fought hard against, among others. This is a quite unique health system that survived his privatization, thank god.

For the vaccines, Netanyahu paid a price which is kept secret, and will remain secret for the next 30-90 years (!) depending on whether they manage to label the protocols "security related". Another example of governmental operation.

A list of government controlled systems:

⦁ Mega-investments in hardware sector of High-tech (silicon chips manufacturing Fabs in the US, Taiwan, Israel, Ireland, France, etc.). $2B investment per 1 modern Fab.

⦁ Energy manufacturing, including nuclear

⦁ Education system in Finland, Singapore, Israel 1940s - 1977.

⦁ Railroads in Europe, Japan; Public transportation in general

⦁ Military, fire departments

⦁ Covid-19 in New Zealand, Germany, Taiwan, China

⦁ Health systems in most socialistic countries (including Cuba)

The list goes on and on.

Regarding:

Canada has good socialized heath care but elective surgeries has a very long waiting list. Not so good.

Of course I take your word for what you wrote - only it somewhat contradicts what I saw in Michael Moore's testimonies in his file Sicko. He shows families crossing the border to Canada to get medications and care in the same quality but much cheaper.

Cheers,

Avner E.

February 8, 2021, Norman cohen <ishahrofah@gmail.com>:

How did the USA live for 150 years without Social Security?

     And 180 years without Medicare?

                      VERY WELL !

By 1930, it was the greatest country on Earth.

    So great, it made the difference in WW1 (entered in 1917).   

    So great, it could give Germany and Japan a 2-year head start in war,

             supply the "allies", get hit with a sucker punch and still win.

Today, the real cost of medical insurance is far greater than was the real cost

of the medical care itself in the 1950s.

Don't give me crap about "health care".  That's leftist newspeak.

      I take care of my own health.   I go to doctors for medical care, not health care.

Don't give me crap about "health insurance".

        That's leftist newspeak to make the drones think that they'll live forever.

        "Health insurance" is when the Rolling Stones take out a policy with Lloyds of London

               to insure against missing a gig because they become unhealthy.

I buy medical insurance, not health insurance.

                                                 Norman

I wrote:

You buy health because you can afford it (thank god). But the majority can't.

Now that almost 1/2 million Americans died of Covid-19, you are helpless. Only countries with public health systems kept both their health and economy.

And you forgot to mention Roosevelt's New Deal - a guy you would call a Marxist today. Government investments is what kept you through WW2, not the private sector and the "invisible hand". It's invisible because it only exists in your dreams.

Cheers,

Avner E

Feb 8, 2021, Norman cohen <ishahrofah@gmail.com>:

The Iran nuclear threat is not to Israel.

       it's to the USA.

Iran wouldn't dare attack Israel.

     Israel can shoot down anything Iran would launch and then would destroy Iran in retaliation.

The USA is different.

       A missile would not be used, and the USA would not know where the bomb came from.

My assessment.

      Trump/Netanyahu have left a strike force in place that will not be disturbed by their successors.

As soon as an Iranian nuke is spotted in a vulnerable place by their sophisticated intelligence, its head will be cut off  .... as an owl picks off a mouse that has left

its hole.

                     

           Norman

james rizzolo <brooklake@verizon.net>:

More fear mongering with zero facts presented.

Jim Rizzolo

Feb 8, 2021, Rachel Lipsky:

If Mike Lindell alerted Jack during the early 1940s that the Nazis in Europe gas Jews in concentration camps, he (and I am afraid all other Lefty fools) would have reacted the same way as Jack reacts to Lindell – fully dismissing the message since they dislike the messenger.

 

This is an utter proof that those on the Left lack basic integrity and are complete frauds. 

Jack Zucker <jack@fullcirclecolor.com>:

Rachel Bubbella,

If Mike Lindell had alerted me in the early 40s, I wouldn't have understood. I was only 3 years old. However, as a student of history, and with an uncle who bashed Bundist heads on Fordham Road, and with stories of Myron's father doing the same in Newark -- I believe they (the Bundists) were all right wing nuts of the day and in support of Hitler. Don't spout bull___ when you don't know which end of the bull it is coming out of.

__________________

Jack Zucker

28 Illinois Street

Dix Hills, NY 11746