Assortment of comments to Science Deniers (vol. 20)

Aug 23, 2021, Robert Garcia:

We no longer care if the FDA approves of the experimental vaccine jab*  It's too late for that news. The CDC and Dr. Fauci always move their goal post of their rules. There are too many other doctors saying do not take the jab, it's causing deaths already and other complications. The bad reactions are blood clots, convulsions, bleeding problems with pregnant women, magnetized stems in the blood. The FDA is now a puppet of the government. There are other medical doctor experts that disagree with these health department nuts and always tell us that vaccine is safe. Yes and these executives from YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and all the major news outlets including the local TV news stations in every city in America should be in jail for censoring other medical experts that, after their research, are against the vaccine jab.

Jack Zucker <jack@fullcirclecolor.com>:

Man, this is just brilliant. It proves that Ms Green's intellect is right up there with Matt Goetz. In fact I propose a ticket of Green/Goetz for the '24 Presidential campaign.

Robert Katz <rkatz@mygrandma.com>:

She's a very dangerous insane person.

The Republicans should call her out, and they don't.

Any elected official who encourages people not to get vaccines or wear masks should be hung from the gallows.

August 24, 2021, roger's BB <roger@bayitbrick.com>:

“magnetized stems in blood”  WOW, that’s a new one.

I cannot decide who’s more stupid, the morons who spew this shit or the mono-neuronal fools like garcia who swallow this shit.

Screw them all, they’ll get covid for failing to listen to thinking and die. And the world will have a party.

The good side, Darwinian laws apply and we’ll end up with a better gene pool.

I wrote:

Mr. Roger,

The matter in question, is the same question that I ask myself when I see another imbecile crossing in red light on a scooter, no helmet, going the wrong way, no light at night, riding his stupid girlfriend (no helmet, I mentioned). That's very common in Israel.

The question is: Is his particular stupidity inherited, i.e. in his genes, or not.

If it is - then he had better die in an accident, for all I care. Better for the word.

But if he (as well as the stupid Trump-supporters on this list) have acquired their ideas during their lifetime (= "Nurture" as opposed to Nature) - then I really don't see a benefit from their dying.

So let them live their miserable lives.

Cheers,

Avner E.

Byron Snyder <byronsnyder7171@gmail.com>:

AMEN TO THAT !

Feb 12 2022, STEPHEN GOLUB <golub413@yahoo.com>:

We are finally rid of the hideous creature Angela Merkle. Another Leftist stooge !

Israel foolishly increases Military Cooperation with Germany. This will end up a disaster in the long term! Nazis never change!

Israel has gotten the first of 4  Saar Corvettes made by none other than the Nazi supporter Krupp! 12-20

Israel signed an agreement with  a German Firm to upgrade the German navy Radar! 2-21

The German F I, is using Israeli Pegasus Software to spy  on Cell phones! 9/21

German Arms Co Rheinmetall signs with Israel to arm all its  APCs with Israeli made loitering  munitions made by UVision! 11/21

Live Fire test of Trophy successful ! Trophy System fitted on German Leopard Tanks ! 11-21

I wrote:

Ooops, another hole in my Spam filter.

You guys are still alive?... With all those bad genes manifested to your malfunctioning brains?

This calls for a serious study by a modern Darwinist. Maybe it's time to amend the theory.

I wish you all well until 120. We in the civilized society can support a small number of Errors of Nature such as yourselves. Taking care of the Weak is an important value of our Humanism.

Cheers,

Avner E.

Feb 14, Roger Brick <roger@bayitbrick.com>:

Avner, hi. 

Alas, no spam filter is fool proof, and these fools prove it. 

כל טוב.

February 14, 2022, Richard Lewis <docr1119@gmail.com>:

Avner,

According to your god Darwin, the weak you mock should be dead but you are wishing them live to 120 because of the values of your “humanism.”

Do you read that humanism comic book of values every Monday, Thursday, and Saturday?

Rich Lewis

I wrote:

Mr. Lewis,

You got it all wrong (again). I wonder if it's in your genes, or is it acquired.

Darwin is not our God. He was just a scientist (one of the top 5 of all times). So, he could (and did) make some mistakes. We are not worshipping him, just studying his theory. (and no, "theory" doesn't mean that it's just "theoretic"; it means that it's a model, and in this case - one of the best ever devised).

Human culture is a branch stemming from the cruelty of Natural Selection, in the sense that wise and caring humans (aka Liberals, and a few Conservatives too) were able to devise a system in which stupid and incapable specimen such as yourselves, who would otherwise perish in their 30s or 40s - can now live to 100 and more. You should thank science for that, if you could understand its importance in your lives.

Angela Merkel is a Nazi...

I wish you well. Sometimes stupidity is good for your serenity.

Cheers,

Avner E.

Richard Lewis <docr1119@gmail.com>:

Intelligent mocking the weak isn’t survival of the fit. 

Machiavelli had that one long before you. Schopenhauer took it all the way to Superman. Hitler tried to finish the job.

You keep mocking the weak. 

Till 120.

Stay well.

Rich Lewis

Norman cohen <ishahrofah@gmail.com>:

Mr. Effendi,

I would not rate Darwin among the top anything of the world's scientists in history.

      There are just way too many whose works were correct.

I understand that he is impressive for idol worshipers like you.

That is his utility.

     But I thank G-d for the benefits of true science.

          Der Ebisher .... Lam'natzeach ....

the Director Who conducts the orchestra of the world.

Your lexicon sounds familiar, Effendi.

      Like Asher Matathias.  Also with his points of view.

So Turks and Greeks do get along after all.

                               Norman

STEPHEN GOLUB <golub413@yahoo.com>:

Let Avner or whatever its name is be advised that Darwin believed in G-D!

Einstein  believed in G-D!!

My question for stooge Avner is: Why you never have a fact, or some useful information, other than name calling?? Are you that vacuous or just ill informed??

I wrote:

Einstein did not believe in god, you ignorant. He stated this many times.

Einstein (who did regard Darwin as one of the greatest), came up with the term "the old man" (German: des Alten) to refer to the great order of Nature, and he made it very clear that by this he did not mean God as people use this term.

This is what he said about Judaism:

Für mich ist die unverfälschte jüdische Religion wie alle anderen Religionen eine Incarnation des primitiven Aberglaubens.

I'll let you Google-translate it yourself, it's not very flattering to your religion.

Mr. Golub: I'm sure that you are a fine gentleman, who could be very kind at times. But why your buddies regard you as knowledgeable - this is beyond me. Your general knowledge does not exceed the one of a 10 year old. OK, make it 15 years.

Cheers,

Avner E.

My Conversation with Tania, vol. 1

On Monday, June 1, 2020, 11:36:06 AM GMT+3, T wrote:

Does this interest you? Yachad is where I attended several years, liberal Modern Orthodox, a big tent (meaning, LGBTQ friendly, really, not token). Bright, some even brilliant people.

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On 1 Jun 2020, at 11:38 AM, Avner Efendowicz wrote:

Hi,

I wish, but... I hope that I'm about to start a new job soon. So I don't think that I'll have time for this, even not for the Alma daf...

Thanks anyway.

How are you doing?

Did you watch every second of the long live broadcast of Space-X launch, as I did?...

Cheers,

Avner E.

On Monday, June 1, 2020, 11:43:54 AM GMT+3, T wrote:

OH GOODY A J-O-B! I hope it satisfies you. Tell me a bit about it in layspeak.

And, not even Alma daf, OK. Yet I HOPE you will have or reserve time to live your other passions… family, sailing, hiking the Israel Trail, exploring mystery skeletons in your storeroom, and so on.

On 1 Jun 2020, at 12:15 PM, Avner Efendowicz wrote:

Thank you!

I already stopped coming to Alma. About to start tomorrow, I hope (temporary job, then hopefully another more permanent one. Let's see).

Anyway, I won't stop hiking (maybe this coming weekend, with my son Omer), and watching Space-X launches  (did you hear about the one on Saturday?)

Cheers,

Avner E

On Monday, June 1, 2020, 01:18:51 PM GMT+3, T wrote:

Well, doesn’t sound like a prison or factory, which is good. And, temporary always great: Keeps FREEDOM to change from not the best situation to a better situation, including permanent, that we know is a form of longer-term temporary. At least how I lived my professional years intentionally. 

You know how different we are in strengths, interests, and sensibilities, which IS GREAT. The truth, I am so low down touching the earth, looking at eyes of very young children and thinking only of what’s best for their full, heathy development inside and outside (nutrition, sane parents with work that pays to put food on table and hold head high instead of despair and anger). SPACE LUNAR etc., since Apollo and the first man, etc., I despise… to me these enterprises steal food, clothing, homes, educational resources of highest quality (adults, tools, field trips, etc.) from humans from prenatal till their last breath in life. Not a living death as we know for majority humans and causes for it we know, too. END OF TRUE ANSWER.

On 1 Jun 2020, at 1:41 PM, Avner Efendowicz wrote:

I see your points. I think that it's more complicated than that.

On the one hand, you're right, it costs billions, which could have been spent otherwise. On the other hand, if you only think for a moment on direct benefits to the human race (which I don't, usually, because I like the scientific outcome of the research) - but if you do, then still, the technology that is being developed for space exploration is eventually being used in thousands of other areas, including clean water for Africa, clean and cheap energy, and so on... even for carbon-fibers and other better materials for windsurfing gear - which of course is Great!!

This leads me to a fascinating topic: Nationalism, Science, Welfare. I dislike Nationalism just as much as you hate space research. Because in my view, nationalism necessarily leads to extreme nationalism (Leumiut leads to LEUMANUT), and then to racism, chauvinism, etc. But what would science do without nationalism? Y. Noach-Harary related, that Communities on large scales, leading to National feelings of togetherness and common myths (with the help of Gossip!), which according to YNH are a MUST for any scientific progress. So I'm facing a sever dilemma here: would I be willing to sacrifice advanced science (aka my main meaning in life), just because it prerequisites Nationalistic emotions? I really don't know...

And you, would probably give up all of Astronomy and Cosmology and Astrophysics (because, why would you give a s**t?...), which cost so much. I understand, but... to me it's the same dilemma.

Just as well, I wanted to be Vegan for many years - but I liked butter and eggs too much...

Cheers,

Avner E.

On Monday, June 1, 2020, 02:38:57 PM GMT+3, T wrote:

Excellent point. I was extreme, global, sentimental, short-term and micro thinking — all symptoms of a losing, ignorant bias. Typically me and all good but MUST have context and balance. And agree, what to do about the Dilemma?

What is function of gossip? A form of marketing? Branding? Hyping stuff with some decent prosocial results?

Well, about chauvinism and racism you can add greed and cruelty… cousins of first two. You imply  —

nationalism necessarily leads to extreme nationalism (Leumiut leads to LEUMANUT), and then to racism, chauvinism, etc. 

We have long sunk into this cesspool (examples today USA riots… I have lived through these eras triggered by JFK, MLK, Robert Kennedy assassinations). I believe my scant learning of Jewish “sacred texts” is replete with both chauvinism and racism. In other words, if we begin addressing causes, preventions, rehabilitations, etc., of these mental illnesses might that temper or reduce the deadly and disgusting leumaniut?

What’s connection of vegan reference in this can of worms we are dishing up?

I love this most of all, your honest summing up:

advanced science (aka my main meaning in life)

June 1, 2020:

I don't know how to mitigate the bad side of Leumiut (i.e. Leumanut - isn't there a word in the English language for that?...). This is my dilemma, right there.

According to YNH (whom I almost admire for his sharp thoughts and eloquence, and clear, accurate writing), Gossip is what Motar Ha'adam Min Ha(animal in general). It was Gossip, as a biological trait that humans developed, that enabled them to have what YNH calls "inter-subjective conscience", and by that he means that Homo Sapience is the only creature that has subjective entities in his/her mind (abstract notions that don't exist physically, such as: money, companies, countries, religions etc.). And the crucial thing: to share those abstracts with other humans, most of whom are totally invisible to the individual, because they are far away.

Monkeys, for instance, can share some ideas with other members of the group - but they must be in visual range of each other; This is why there are no monkey-confederations.

Per YNH, this is exactly what differentiates humans from the rest of life on earth, and this enabled humans to collaborate, build empires and machines, advance science, and dominate the world. Homo Sapience is by far not the strongest, fastest, fittest, or in any other way most enduring creature - it's mostly that humans can share ideas about things that are not part of the physical reality. Gossip is one manifestation of that. (and as much as I HATE "Erev Tov with Guy Pinnes", and Celebrities and Gossip, I must acknowledge that this is probably a price that I'm paying, to be able to learn about modern physics, among others).

I became vegan 8 months ago, and this way I solved just one dilemma that I had: I wanted very much to not be part of consumption of food from animals, but it was very difficult to avoid butter, cheese and eggs. So, one dilemma less, but a few more to go (the other ones would never be resolved, probably).

Cheers,

Avner E.