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More Answers to Ms. Max Coutinho
Dear
Ms. Coutinho,
Your
knowledge of history of the region is remarkable indeed, and I’m not going to
compete with it. If I believed that the solution to the Zionist-Palestinian
conflict depended in any way on historical facts – then I would try to argue
with you, something I see as fairly difficult, considering your level of
education. But the truth is, that I don’t think that it matters much.
Here
is why:
I
think that after your educated and detailed comments, I understand your stance
better. Basically, you are saying that, since the ancestors of the current
Palestinians had lousy and corrupt leaders (a fact that stems, in my opinion,
from the way that Western powers partitioned the area, but that’s a different
argument), and that they legally did not have a right for their own state in
what is now known as the Land of Israel – these facts dictate that they must be
displaced from their homes in the West Bank into Gaza Strip, or Sinai, or
Jordan.
For
the sake of the argument, let us just assume that from a morality and justice
point of view, you are correct. This is what ought to be done! And we must
insist, and keep fighting the entire hypocritical international community, and
the entire Muslim world (or the part which pays attention to this conflict –
not a billion people, but a fairly large amount of people) – until they agree
to move, or until we have the political and military power to force them to do
so.
Now,
usually I don’t distinguish between people living in or outside of Israel,
regarding their political views. Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion,
regardless of place of residence. However, in order to carry out such a
project, it will take a lot of military manpower, fighting, deaths and
injuries. In this case, I must ask you if you think that it is worth the cost,
in: human lives, degradation of morality (or some risk thereof) – not to
mention the conflict with the World communities – and also: are you willing to
sacrifice your own children for this kind of struggle? I’m asking, because even
inside my country, there is a vast inequality regarding the risk taken by
different people, at times of war. My sons, as you already know, are on the combat
side, and I’m not happy about this, because I don’t believe in the cause of
fighting any more. But even for people who do believe in it, such as yourself –
and I totally respect that – they are not always ready to take the personal
consequences.
Please
don’t misunderstand me – I am not a pacifist, and I am well aware that for a
good cause, there are times when one must sacrifice a lot, sometimes his own
life or the lives of his loved ones – you just don’t get what you deserve for
free, in this world. The only question that I’m asking is: how many people do
you think will be willing to participate in such a project (let me be straight:
the displacement of about 2.7 million people (as of 2012), against their will,
from their homes, where they have been living in predominantly rural areas –
into high-rises in Gaza, or newly built cities and towns in the deserts of
Sinai and Jordan)? – and are you or people you know, among them?
What
I’m saying, to put it briefly, is that, regardless of what I think about the moral
basis of this interesting project (and be sure that I have my thoughts) – it is
completely impractical. Therefore, we (or shall I say, not me, but the
Israelis, with the support of the Jewry around the world), are doomed to keep
fighting against pretty powerful entities, for the foreseen future. And that’s
not a very encouraging proposition. Let me tell you a little secret – I have
the strong feeling, that within the majority of Jews in Israel, if they thought
that this was what it took to keep the state of Israel going – there won’t be
much support for this project.
p.s.
I must say, that among all my friends from the Right wing, you are one of very
few who took the challenge, and answered most honestly and with intellectual
courage, the question which I see as the central in this argument: What do we
do with the Palestinians today? – that is, regardless of the question where
they came from, what is the legal meaning of the Balfour Declaration, etc. This
is why I skipped the historical part, and went straight to the end.
With
deepest respect,
Avner Efendowicz
Hello brother Avner,
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for your comment. Before I answer your questions directly I would like to make a quick comment on something else: I agree with you on the nefarious consequences of the disrespectful partition of the Middle East undertaken by the French and the British; however, not even that serves as an excuse for the political manipulation and victimisation of the Arab nations when it comes to Israel. We must remember that Jews and Arabs lived in peace in Palestine before Arab politicians started to create divisions between the two peoples.
Now, to answer your questions:
PART I
Q: "I must ask you if you think that it is worth the cost, in: human lives, degradation of morality (or some risk thereof) – not to mention the conflict with the World communities – and also: are you willing to sacrifice your own children for this kind of struggle?"
A: Every man in my family served in the IDF and fought for Israel; so yes, I am willing to "sacrifice" my own children "for this kind of struggle" (NB: I used quotes when mentioning the word "sacrifice" because I see it more as a duty and honour). I believe in the Israeli cause, I believe it is not complete and I will do whatever I can to make sure that Israel is whole. Therefore, yes, I think it is worth the high cost.
You are weary of the war and I understand that, I really do. It's not easy. However, as Jews we must keep on fighting until we get peace and we must do it intelligently to ensure our ever-lasting survival on Jewish Land.
Q: "(..) How many people do you think will be willing to participate in such a project (let me be straight: the displacement of about 2.7 million people (as of 2012), against their will, from their homes, where they have been living in predominantly rural areas – into high-rises in Gaza, or newly built cities and towns in the deserts of Sinai and Jordan)? – and are you or people you know, among them?"
A: No one understands displacement better than us, the Jewish people - you know that. We didn't forget it, we don't forget (the most recent displacement was in 2005, when our brothers were uprooted from their homes in Gaza) and every day we thank God for our people's survival despite all the struggle.
Now, I would bet that millions within Am Yisrael would be willing to participate "in such a project" - and I am not even including the many Christians around the world that would also support it. And absolutely, I plus the many people I know are among those folks.
PART II
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing your secret with us, but I think you underestimate the Jewry in Israel - a very small minority is weary of the war, but from what I have been following and hearing a large majority would support to displace the Arab population with a compensation in the name of peace. You will have to agree that after Operation Protective Edge it has been proven that we can't afford to have a "Palestinian" state sandwiching Israel from both Samaria & Judea and Gaza: it would be indefensible. We all know it.
Q: "What do we do with the Palestinians today?"
A: The Arabs of Palestine that would want to stay in their homes would be welcome to do so, as long as they would accept to live by the Law of the Land of Israel. They would have to be loyal to the country, accept to be part of its plurality and live in peace - just like plenty of Muslims do in Christian, Taoist, Buddhist and Hindu countries.
Those who wouldn't want to stay, because they'd not be willing to live under Jewish Law, be loyal to Israel (i.e. not undermine it from within) they'd be welcome to leave (with a compensation package, resulting from a pool of contributions from the Israeli government and private Jewish donors) and settle in the land of their ancestors - of course this would require a diplomatic endeavour to encourage Arab nations to absorb their brethren.
For instance, I very much support Egypt's proposal to establish a Palestinian State in the Sinai - as it would be more practical for the Arabs in Palestine (the present proposal serves no one's security and strategic needs: Israel would be squeezed within indefensible borders and the state of Palestine would be divided and therefore permanently weak as a people - in no time other conflicts would arise and the cycle of war would never end).
Thank you for your generosity, brother Avner.
It has been a true pleasure to converse with you. I wish I would encounter more people like you. This is a very contentious subject and people tend to lose focus and composure when discussing it - I am glad we respected each other.
I would dare saying that with people like you and I, plus a similar partner on the Arab side, we could truly reach peace.
If we don't talk before it:
שנה טובה וגמר חתימה טובה
Cheers