It started off by Mr. M., sharing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42z1q9HkLbo
To which I responded quite nastily (I must admit):
Nice words.
Who wrote this for her?...
Cheers,
Avner E.
On Friday, December 13, 2019 B.M. wrote:
She read it by herself!
From: Avner Efendowicz
Oh, she can read all right; But who wrote it?.. Can Miss write like that?...
I admit, that was a mean and maybe a chauvinist comment.
Anyway, it's nice to realize, once again, that all Jews are smart and nice and "the chosen people." All the more so, when it comes from such a pretty Muslim. (Or maybe she is Assyrian or Christian? Can a Muslim be that pretty? Or intelligent?...
That's my ironic comment to a world full of fake news and stereotypes.
Shabbat Shalom to you.
Cheers,
Avner E.
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 B.M. wrote:
Avner, do you agree with this assessment of global human rights?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y0I6rBrXnM
Thank you.
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 Avner Efendowicz wrote:
Partially.
1. Israel is not under any existential threat. (if you don't regard Mr. Netanyahu's hijacking the entire Israeli political system, and Democracy, for his personal interests, as a threat on the mere existence of Israel; I don't).
2. The World doesn't regard Israel (which has a decent human-rights record, not a good one) in the same standards as it regards totalitarian countries, for good reasons. Israel is also benefiting from being part of the Free World, so it also has to fulfill higher standards, which it doesn't.
Cheers,
Avner E.
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 B.M. wrote:
Israel is not under any existential threat???!!!??? Ask Iran about that!! We must believe Iran's despicable, threatening comments about Israel and act accordingly!!!
So the totalitarian countries should get a free pass as to their complete disregard of human rights?
Which non-totalitarian country that is in conflict has or has ever had better human rights than Israel?
b
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 Avner Efendowicz wrote:
1. So you believe Muslim people whenever it suits your agenda?...
I fear the Bomb being in the hands of Netanyahu, the greatest liar in the Middle East (far greater than any Iranian), not less than I fear it in the hands of Iran (which still doesn't have it, but will have it in the future, thanks to Mr. Trump).
2. Israel has been oppressing 3 million Palestinians for more than 50 years now. That doesn't indicate a great record of human rights.
Cheers,
Avner E.
On Sunday, December 15, 2019 B.M. wrote:
When it suits my agenda? If someone tells me they are going to kill me, I'm supposed to ignore those words?
Also, when their leaders say one thing in English, and the opposite in Arabic, that does not invoke confidence in me!
How do YOU know if and when Iran will get the bomb? How do you know they don't have it already, and are about to strike? Thank G-d you are not running Israel!
I am curious, Avner, as you consider yourself a defender of human rights, have you ever protested this behavior? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axe_NcIEfsU
B.
From: Avner Efendowicz:
No, of course you shouldn't ignore.
What I would do, as an intelligent person (such as yourself): I would try to figure out 2 things: do the Iranians have (1) the intention, and (2) the means.
(1) The intention is derived from their interests (if they are rational people). They have no interest in destroying Israel - that's the end of their no. 1 interest - being in power. Now, if your point is, that the heads of the Iranian Muslim "republic" are mean and viscous - I agree (so are most of politicians in power, regardless of regime). But if that leads you to claim that they are irrational - that's just bad logic. There is no connection. I can state, as an Israeli resident, that the Israeli leaders (with very few exceptions) were and are no more rational than the Ayatullas.
(2) The means - all intelligence data show that they don't have the Bomb. If they had it - why would they need the Nuclear Agreement for? Also, most intelligence experts agree, that the agreement has been keeping Iran from advancing with their nuclear program, and that Trump's withdrawal is pushing them back into it. They are making more progress now than ever. This is why I said, that thanks to Trump, they would have the Bomb sooner than later.
But rest assure, I have no intention of running Israel, so don't worry; and keep your confidence in the man whose own appointees are now accusing him of: severe Bribery, Breach of Confidence and Fraud. The man who gave OK to the Germans to sell an advanced submarine to Egypt, for reasons that he could not share with anybody - not even his own Minister of Defense and Chief of the Military. That's not even bribery - that's Treason, and just for money to his aids and his cousin (well, second cousin to be precise).
And yes, I protest any human rights violation.
Cheers,
Avner E.
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 B.M. wrote:
Thank you. Please see my comments.
...being in power. Isn't it possible that their hatred of Israel is stronger than their desire to rule?
Yes, it's possible. But very unlikely, in my opinion. I have been studying history for many years, and I'm particularly interested in the behavior of leaders (and especially crazy ones). My main conclusion (also taken from some of my teachers): the desire for Power is the strongest of all, by far.
One more thing: it's not at all clear, that the leaders themselves hate Israel to the extent which is beyond their desire to rule. It is very often the case, that those types of leaders use this very hatred in order to instigate and pull their subordinates on their side.
why would they need the Nuclear Agreement for? To play the game...to hide what they have!
They paid a hefty price for this game (in sanctions, public protest)... So your theory is that they already have the bomb, but want to hide it? It is possible Iran has the bomb; I do not know whether they have it or not. But the point is, since no one can be absolutely sure about Iran's status, we must believe Iran when the leaders say publicly that they are going to destroy Israel. Maybe... But I'm not buying that. I think that the whole point of having the bomb is for Saudi-Arabia (their real Big enemy) and their other neighboring countries, to know that.
This is why I said, that thanks to Trump, they would have the Bomb sooner than later. You are contradicting yourself, Avner. Why are the Iranians "making more progress now than ever" if "They have no interest in destroying Israel"?
To have the Bomb! That's my point. Not to do anything which will bring their own demise.
severe Bribery, Breach of Confidence and Fraud. Who said I have confidence in that man? I had written: Thank G-d you are not running Israel! I didn't state my favor for any particular leader.
You said that you were glad that I'm not this man... And I am glad too.
And yes, I protest any human rights violation. How have you publicly protested the behavior illustrated in the video? Or, do you protest internally? b
No, I don't protest in this case. So you don't protest ANY human rights violation...just those that you deem have been committed by Israel. These are children of people who are fighting for a just cause (and I understand that it's hard for you to hear this) - i.e. their freedom from oppression.
To some extent, I too was "brainwashed" as a child, to grow up and fight those "evil Arabs" who are all willing to kill us.
Not just WILLING...they are determined to kill Jews...because that is what they are taught by their media, mosques, television programs, etc. By not condemning and protesting this sick "education", you are perpetuating this hatred and incitement to violence! I understand that it's hard for you to hear this, but you are a major part of the problem! Don't we deserve to have one peaceful Jewish State alongside the 22 Arab ones (that are not so peaceful!)?
From: Avner Efendowicz:
Yes, we deserve. And the Israeli governments are those who prevent it from happening.
"If I was a Palestinian, I would definitely become a terrorist" - Ehud Barak, not a left-wing leader, most decorated soldier ever, former chief of the IDF, minister of Defense and PM.
Regarding the bomb - you claim is that Iran wants to destroy Israel, and may have the bomb. So, why don't they do it already? What is stopping them?...
Plus: the whole argument by Mr. Netanyau (and actually, his main theme of being in power) is - to deny Iran from getting it. If they already have it - then what's the point of all the hassle? (and why do the Israelis need him anymore?...) - there's nothing you can do at this point, see N. Korea.
Cheers,
Avner E.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42z1q9HkLbo
To which I responded quite nastily (I must admit):
Nice words.
Who wrote this for her?...
Cheers,
Avner E.
On Friday, December 13, 2019 B.M. wrote:
She read it by herself!
From: Avner Efendowicz
Oh, she can read all right; But who wrote it?.. Can Miss write like that?...
I admit, that was a mean and maybe a chauvinist comment.
Anyway, it's nice to realize, once again, that all Jews are smart and nice and "the chosen people." All the more so, when it comes from such a pretty Muslim. (Or maybe she is Assyrian or Christian? Can a Muslim be that pretty? Or intelligent?...
That's my ironic comment to a world full of fake news and stereotypes.
Shabbat Shalom to you.
Cheers,
Avner E.
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 B.M. wrote:
Avner, do you agree with this assessment of global human rights?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y0I6rBrXnM
Thank you.
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 Avner Efendowicz wrote:
Partially.
1. Israel is not under any existential threat. (if you don't regard Mr. Netanyahu's hijacking the entire Israeli political system, and Democracy, for his personal interests, as a threat on the mere existence of Israel; I don't).
2. The World doesn't regard Israel (which has a decent human-rights record, not a good one) in the same standards as it regards totalitarian countries, for good reasons. Israel is also benefiting from being part of the Free World, so it also has to fulfill higher standards, which it doesn't.
Cheers,
Avner E.
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 B.M. wrote:
Israel is not under any existential threat???!!!??? Ask Iran about that!! We must believe Iran's despicable, threatening comments about Israel and act accordingly!!!
So the totalitarian countries should get a free pass as to their complete disregard of human rights?
Which non-totalitarian country that is in conflict has or has ever had better human rights than Israel?
b
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 Avner Efendowicz wrote:
1. So you believe Muslim people whenever it suits your agenda?...
I fear the Bomb being in the hands of Netanyahu, the greatest liar in the Middle East (far greater than any Iranian), not less than I fear it in the hands of Iran (which still doesn't have it, but will have it in the future, thanks to Mr. Trump).
2. Israel has been oppressing 3 million Palestinians for more than 50 years now. That doesn't indicate a great record of human rights.
Cheers,
Avner E.
On Sunday, December 15, 2019 B.M. wrote:
When it suits my agenda? If someone tells me they are going to kill me, I'm supposed to ignore those words?
Also, when their leaders say one thing in English, and the opposite in Arabic, that does not invoke confidence in me!
How do YOU know if and when Iran will get the bomb? How do you know they don't have it already, and are about to strike? Thank G-d you are not running Israel!
I am curious, Avner, as you consider yourself a defender of human rights, have you ever protested this behavior? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axe_NcIEfsU
B.
From: Avner Efendowicz:
No, of course you shouldn't ignore.
What I would do, as an intelligent person (such as yourself): I would try to figure out 2 things: do the Iranians have (1) the intention, and (2) the means.
(1) The intention is derived from their interests (if they are rational people). They have no interest in destroying Israel - that's the end of their no. 1 interest - being in power. Now, if your point is, that the heads of the Iranian Muslim "republic" are mean and viscous - I agree (so are most of politicians in power, regardless of regime). But if that leads you to claim that they are irrational - that's just bad logic. There is no connection. I can state, as an Israeli resident, that the Israeli leaders (with very few exceptions) were and are no more rational than the Ayatullas.
(2) The means - all intelligence data show that they don't have the Bomb. If they had it - why would they need the Nuclear Agreement for? Also, most intelligence experts agree, that the agreement has been keeping Iran from advancing with their nuclear program, and that Trump's withdrawal is pushing them back into it. They are making more progress now than ever. This is why I said, that thanks to Trump, they would have the Bomb sooner than later.
But rest assure, I have no intention of running Israel, so don't worry; and keep your confidence in the man whose own appointees are now accusing him of: severe Bribery, Breach of Confidence and Fraud. The man who gave OK to the Germans to sell an advanced submarine to Egypt, for reasons that he could not share with anybody - not even his own Minister of Defense and Chief of the Military. That's not even bribery - that's Treason, and just for money to his aids and his cousin (well, second cousin to be precise).
And yes, I protest any human rights violation.
Cheers,
Avner E.
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 B.M. wrote:
Thank you. Please see my comments.
...being in power. Isn't it possible that their hatred of Israel is stronger than their desire to rule?
Yes, it's possible. But very unlikely, in my opinion. I have been studying history for many years, and I'm particularly interested in the behavior of leaders (and especially crazy ones). My main conclusion (also taken from some of my teachers): the desire for Power is the strongest of all, by far.
One more thing: it's not at all clear, that the leaders themselves hate Israel to the extent which is beyond their desire to rule. It is very often the case, that those types of leaders use this very hatred in order to instigate and pull their subordinates on their side.
why would they need the Nuclear Agreement for? To play the game...to hide what they have!
They paid a hefty price for this game (in sanctions, public protest)... So your theory is that they already have the bomb, but want to hide it? It is possible Iran has the bomb; I do not know whether they have it or not. But the point is, since no one can be absolutely sure about Iran's status, we must believe Iran when the leaders say publicly that they are going to destroy Israel. Maybe... But I'm not buying that. I think that the whole point of having the bomb is for Saudi-Arabia (their real Big enemy) and their other neighboring countries, to know that.
This is why I said, that thanks to Trump, they would have the Bomb sooner than later. You are contradicting yourself, Avner. Why are the Iranians "making more progress now than ever" if "They have no interest in destroying Israel"?
To have the Bomb! That's my point. Not to do anything which will bring their own demise.
severe Bribery, Breach of Confidence and Fraud. Who said I have confidence in that man? I had written: Thank G-d you are not running Israel! I didn't state my favor for any particular leader.
You said that you were glad that I'm not this man... And I am glad too.
And yes, I protest any human rights violation. How have you publicly protested the behavior illustrated in the video? Or, do you protest internally? b
No, I don't protest in this case. So you don't protest ANY human rights violation...just those that you deem have been committed by Israel. These are children of people who are fighting for a just cause (and I understand that it's hard for you to hear this) - i.e. their freedom from oppression.
To some extent, I too was "brainwashed" as a child, to grow up and fight those "evil Arabs" who are all willing to kill us.
Not just WILLING...they are determined to kill Jews...because that is what they are taught by their media, mosques, television programs, etc. By not condemning and protesting this sick "education", you are perpetuating this hatred and incitement to violence! I understand that it's hard for you to hear this, but you are a major part of the problem! Don't we deserve to have one peaceful Jewish State alongside the 22 Arab ones (that are not so peaceful!)?
From: Avner Efendowicz:
Yes, we deserve. And the Israeli governments are those who prevent it from happening.
"If I was a Palestinian, I would definitely become a terrorist" - Ehud Barak, not a left-wing leader, most decorated soldier ever, former chief of the IDF, minister of Defense and PM.
Regarding the bomb - you claim is that Iran wants to destroy Israel, and may have the bomb. So, why don't they do it already? What is stopping them?...
Plus: the whole argument by Mr. Netanyau (and actually, his main theme of being in power) is - to deny Iran from getting it. If they already have it - then what's the point of all the hassle? (and why do the Israelis need him anymore?...) - there's nothing you can do at this point, see N. Korea.
Cheers,
Avner E.
